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Okay. Just to avoid misunderstandings: it wasn't implied that you sold them as originals. 5 copies, that sounds negligible. I always wondered why this escalating culture of bootlegging cropped up in Memphis out of all places. Do you know if those responsible were confronted about their business, either legally or on the street level? I can't imagine that the artists/rightholders just swallowed all that shit.

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Okay. Just to avoid misunderstandings: it wasn't implied that you sold them as originals. 5 copies, that sounds negligible. I always wondered why this escalating culture of bootlegging cropped up in Memphis out of all places. Do you know if those responsible were confronted about their business, either legally or on the street level? I can't imagine that the artists/rightholders just swallowed all that shit.


Well there's a few things I could say about that. For one, the cassette era of the eighties rolled into the 90's much more predominantly in Memphis than in other cities.. and it lasted quite a bit longer than elsewhere. Memphis was a music city for generations, the talent was always here, however the means to release music commercially was in a failing state thru the 80s and that rolled into the 90s as well. The local famous record labels were out or order and not what they used to be by any means, and the 'independent release' was the only way to get music out. That being said there was a boom of independent services for people who wanted to get music sold, and small boom of new labels at the same time between the late 80s and early 90s. While this was going on, local artists who could afford to be basically robbed by these small-time pop-up businesses, just to get their music out there, would do so, but would get little to nothing to show for it afterwards. The underground hustle was to just do everything yourself, and I'm talking about all genres, rock, blues etc.. A lot of artists were just saying screw the music companies, we'll just produce our own music at the studio then press our own tapes at the local duplicator and sell them ourselves. This started a whole new business boom for duplication services. And on the hiphop side, with folks like Spanish Fly and BK and others moving towards wanting to get their music and mixes out of the club and into people's hands so they can enjoy them whenever, the early mixtape scene became a thing. There was no need for record deal. This at the same time started a side game of people just buying cheap duplicators and making copies of mixtapes and selling those for near nothing, or just giving them out. Ofcourse at that time, nobody really cared, it wasn't about money, it was just about getting mixes out and people being able to hear a local DJ in their stereo, then see them at the club etc.. Once the younger DJs started coming up in the clubs and seeing how their idols were doing their own thing on the side with cassettes, there was then a move from not just simply a DJ mixing and a rapper spitting live in the club rocking a show, but to actually produce beats and being able to record those raps on cassette. And being able to create music and capture music, so everyone could hear it. So there was two different games going on at the same time, there was the DJs-turn-producers -who were really pushing the cassette mixtape scene forward, and there was the professional artists pushing for radio play and professional production. So that's about when everyone started buying up home recording equipment. Some going all out with funding from different sources, you had Gangsta Pat doing everything himself, OTS pulling Eightball MJG, you had Ska-face Al Kapone, you had producers Slisce Tee, DJ Diz, Lil Pat, SMK.. all of which were underground and independent but recording professionally and working with proper distribution. The other side of the game was the local DJs, now recording music in their homes with basic equipment and mixing down 4track to master tapes, and then taking those to duplication for sales at local shops and on the street. So there was two sides to the underground music come-up: the cheaper way; however, you could get music out much quicker and to more people.. and and the much more expensive way, which wasn't guaranteed, took longer, and you had to put much more in money-wise to get the same results out locally. So pretty much everybody in the music game in Memphis was doing it the cheap way at one point and that's how it blew up here. If there wasn't such an embrace for the do-it-yourself hustle, there wouldn't have been so much music coming out of Memphis, because 95% of the talent there could not afford to go the proper routes in the music business. Not to mention all the content restrictions when doing so, labels were not about to blow money on material they could not play on the radio. When you're doing it all yourself, you can do whatever you want as far as content, and that's pretty obvious Memphis had no restrictions in the underground. Now when there's a demand for music, and it's sold out and no longer available, and the artist/producer is working on the next project.. that's where the bootleggers come in. You could buy a master duplicator and 4 or 5 slave units for cheap, daisy chain them all up, and run yourself hundreds of copies of cassettes all day if you wanted to. Then take em and flip em, and that's exactly what a few places did back then. Early on, it wasn't that big of an issue, people knew where the originals were sold and where the bootlegs were sold and what they looked like. And those places got called out big time, you've probably heard them straight up called out on tape. But it wasn't really about the money yet. When artists/producers started going towards actual distribution and record deals in the mid 90s, they were leaving the tape game behind. The move was to CDs if you were serious in the business, and national distribution. Everyone still at the bottom coming up was left behind and was still about the hustle. But like I was talking about in the Siccness forum, it's the bootlegging many years later down the line of earlier material that really began messing the whole thing up. Folks had no idea what was bootlegged then, and so on and so on. The tapes coming out from that period from underground, those artists were getting booted at the same time too. There wasn't money in the tape game for artists/producers round 96-99, and a big part of that was from bootlegging. But also because the tape scene was getting stretched out longer in Memphis. If you were and artist/group on label, lets say 36 mafia, you could give a shit about bootlegs of your old tapes at that point. Towards the the late 90s and early 00's, if you weren't on CD yet, it was pretty much a wrap for you as an artist, unless you had some sort of serious funding. And lets say Tommy Wright for example, struggling to get on par with the big names, him pushing tapes to fund with national distribution was a hustle too. He was pushing tapes everywhere, more than anyone else, and it really got him his name out regionally in the late 90s. But once nobody was dropping new material on tapes anymore, that triggered the a new early 2000 era of booting the old tapes again, with the interest in Memphis's unique sound and it's early material. So altogether, bootlegging was always a part of Memphis music, and honestly it's what really spread it's sound. There's so many artists and producers that would have never been heard of today if it wasn't for bootlegging. But that doesn't mean at the same time, bootlegging also completely poisoned the potential out of Memphis, and it is responsible for running a lot of real talent out of the game that weren't able to get ahead of it all. That's just how it goes. You had to know how to work the business in Memphis and get ontop of it all, bootlegging included, and those that didn't know how to do that (which was the large majority) were the ones that fell off. It's nothing like the music scene today, where anyone can make music and get it out to everyone in the best quality in seconds, obviously this was a whole different time. It's been a mess from the beginning though, and the internet has it played all out in the wrong way since now it's completely not about the music at all.

The shit that goes on today, as far as still bootlegging.... there's no excuse for any of that.


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mistamanneTMR hat geschrieben:
There's so many artists and producers that would have never been heard of today if it wasn't for bootlegging.


That's a good point. Without the bootleging Memphis rap wouldn't have had the coverage that it gained over the years. It's pretty obvious when you compare it to other cities of the same size like Nashville e.g. Thanks for the detailed read... it's interesting to see how the whole thing developed its own dynamic and how it turned shady when the money came in. One more question... can you estimate how many tape releases from that era still go undetected?

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There's so many artists and producers that would have never been heard of today if it wasn't for bootlegging.


That's a good point. Without the bootleging Memphis rap wouldn't have had the coverage that it gained over the years. It's pretty obvious when you compare it to other cities of the same size like Nashville e.g. Thanks for the detailed read... it's interesting to see how the whole thing developed its own dynamic and how it turned shady when the money came in. One more question... can you estimate how many tape releases from that era still go undetected?


The majority of "undetected" underground releases, meaning the ones you can't just go on youtube and listen to a crappy 'remastered rip' of, are from artists, groups, and producers that are already known about.. there's plenty of those releases. As far as "undetected" releases from artists, groups, or producers that nobody really knows about today or even back then, there's a whole lot of that too. I'd say as far as overall, about 60% or so of cassette-only material out of Memphis has been documented. Now another point to that is that a lot of that unknown material is complete garbage music. For some reason, the internet is obsessed with "Mega Rare" this and that and stress that out so much that it's not even about the music, it's about how rare it is. I'll tell you one thing though, a lot of it is rare because it's shitty music that nobody wanted to listen to in the first place, and nobody booted it, plain and simple. So there's quite a bit of that too. So, rare does not mean good, by any means. Ofcourse gems do pop up, and those titles are the once that I still get happy over.


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The majority of "undetected" underground releases, meaning the ones you can't just go on youtube and listen to a crappy 'remastered rip' of, are from artists, groups, and producers that are already known about.. there's plenty of those releases.


Like what e.g.?


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I'd say as far as overall, about 60% or so of cassette-only material out of Memphis has been documented. Now another point to that is that a lot of that unknown material is complete garbage music. For some reason, the internet is obsessed with "Mega Rare" this and that and stress that out so much that it's not even about the music, it's about how rare it is. I'll tell you one thing though, a lot of it is rare because it's shitty music that nobody wanted to listen to in the first place, and nobody booted it, plain and simple. So there's quite a bit of that too. So, rare does not mean good, by any means. Ofcourse gems do pop up, and those titles are the once that I still get happy over.


Yea I was asking for releases that didn't make it to the internet yet and are only known on the local level. You're right, most of this stuff is likely to be average at best. But I still find it more interesting to dig up new "unheard" stuff than to listen to the same old shit over and over again (bores the shit out of me lol). I don't care if someone labels it as "mega rare" or if you can get it for two bucks... So, let's see what the future brings. :up:

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was wisst ihr über diesen shawty pimp? gibt so einige tapes von dem.

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extrem doper typ der in meinen augen ein aushängeschild vom smooveren memphis pimp style is
er hat viele sachen selbst produziert und zu seiner crew gehören unter andere mc spade, dj ace, mysta kang, boogie mane und red dog den man ebenfalls von lil grimms chidlren of the corn kennen könnte
bei cotc war der soudn ja imemr sehr düster und dämonisch aber sowas findet man bei red dogs solo tape überhaupt nicht, da gibts nur somemrlichen souligen entspannten scheiß
es gitb echt eingie tapes von den jungs die ziemlich dope sind zb. sumthing to chief to von shawty und dj ace
mittlerweile gibt es auch eine neuauflage von red dogs solo tape auf vinyl und kassette, allerdings kann man nicht genau sagen ob es sich dabei um eine nbootleg oder um ein vom künstler zertifiziertes release handelt ... das label das es neu aufgelegt hat behauptet natürlich das sei alles offziell, aber naja mehrere gründe sprechen dagegen

suchst du nach bestimmten infos?

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ja, danke erstmal für deinen beitrag. ich würde das so unterschreiben mit dem sound...mal düster, mal smooth, relaxt. muss nochmal die mp3s abchecken, aber hab glaub allein 8 sachen von dem. bin nur drauf gekommen, weil ich den früher nicht auf dem schirm hatte und hier im forum finden sich auch kaum infos.

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ja er steht irgendwie nicht so im fokus weil er für ne seite des memphis sound steht die die nie so große beachtung fand wie das düstere zeug
daher gibt es allgemein wenig informationen zu dem kerl und seiner clicke
ich bin auch erst später auf den gekommen als ich das meiste andere zeug schon durch hatte und ma zufällig ein günstiges tape entdeckt hab
ich feier seinen art zu rappen auch sehr, er hat diese laid back art und rapt so entspannt aber dennoch mit recht variablem flow und einer gehörigen portion gangsta athmosphäre
das is schon ne sehr interessante mischug und funktioneirt auch oft wunderbar
seine jungs sind eigentlich auch alle super
red dog hat durch seine tongue twist einlagen und die verbindung mit seiner stimmlage auch ein ziemlich eigenen style den ich mir wirklich gern anhöre

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hast du ne discography von shawty pimp?

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ich hab keine abschließende disco aber hier ist was ich weiß:

solo tape von 1993 (das kenne ich nicht hab ich nur mal beim rumgooglen gesehn, möglich dass sich dahinter ein anderes tape verbrigt das nur falsch betitelt worden ist aber ich gehe jetzt erstmal davon aus dass das ein eigenständiges tape ist)
heavy ass niggas 1994
sumthign 2 chief 2 1994
still comin real 1995
da substance 1996
sind seine solos

dann gibt es volume 1 und volume 2 von ihm und dj ace
volume 2 is von 95, volume 1 weiß ich nicht schätze aber 94

und 3 tapes mit mc spade die alle bis 95 veröffentlicht worden sind ,ich glaub das erste ist ebenfalls von 93 ... aber die hab ich alle weder gehört noch im besitz, da hab ic hnru ma lauf youtube einzelne songs von angespielt
müssten mit volume 1-3 betitelt sein

ach und dann sind da noch die solos die er produziert hat
ein mal red dog - comin real wit it von 95 (wurde letzets oder vorletzets jahr als Shawty Pimp - comin real wit it feat. reddog neu aufgelegt/gebootlegged) und dann noch mysta kang and hitman episode 1 welches angeblich von 99 is
( und ich gehe sehr schwer davon aus dass er ein oder mehrere mc spade solos produziert hat aber das ist nur ne mutmaßung und ich hab noch nie eins gesehn oder gehört)

einen seiner ersten auftritte hatte shawty übrigens auf einem tommy wright mixtape als dieser noch als dj tätig war! schon itneressant da die beiden sptäer beef hatten und shawty unter anderem im booklet von ahses 2 ashes gedisst wird
ich glaub tommy hat auch mehr als die hälfte von shawtys tapes gebootlegged und über seinen ebay shop verkauft

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ich hab diese als mp3s:

Shawty Pimp & MC Spade - Solo Tape (1993)
Shawty Pimp - H.A.N. (Heavy Ass Niggas) (1994)
Shawty Pimp - Something To Chief To (1994)
shawty pimp & dj ace - vol. 1 (1994)
Shawty Pimp & MC Spade - Vol. 2 (1995)
Shawty Pimp & MC Spade - B.B.P. (1995)
Shawty Pimp & MC Spade - 1995 - Vol. 3, 4 - You Playa Haters
Shawty Pimp & Red Dog - Comin Real Wit It (1995)
Shawty Pimp - Da Substance (1996)
Shawty Pimp Presents Hype Click - Playaz Only (1996)
Shawty Pimp & Lil West - Solo Tape (1997)

wobei ich einige doppelt hab und die TLs teilweise abweichen. bei den jahresangaben auch keine gewähr :skreel:

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ach stimmt dass lil west dazu gehört vergess ich immer :D
das hype click tape kenn ich gar nich aber die paar tracks die auf youtube sind klingen sehr gut
ach und ich hab bei youtube ein zwei tracks abgeglichen: das von mir erwähnte shawty pimp solo von 93 dürfte mti dem mc spade shawty pimp solo von 93 das du erwähtn hast identisch sein

volume 2 mit dj ace scheint dir ja zu fehlen, hast du da interesse dran? wenn du möchtest lad ich dir das mal hoch
das hab ich nämlich selbst geript und der sound is annehmbar

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