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ESHAM – ACID RAP’S FOUNDING FATHER TALKS ABOUT NATAS AND THE NEW ALBUM “WICKET WORLD WIDE”
A Nation Ahead of Time and Space, that’s what the letters N.A.T.A.S. stand for. Esham, Mastamind, and TNT are the members and that swarm of hornets around them is called controversy. It’s amazing how the rumor mill can send information into a tail spin. I recently read an extremely bizarre quote form the Village Voice and there was a most entertaining quote about Esham, “Oh yeah, Esham he’s that rapper from Detroit that eats babies.” There is no doubt that N.A.T.A.S. is the worlds most wicket creation the hip-hop world has ever seen. And we can’t argue that they are blazing new ground, tearing down barriers, raising the hell up higher, but eating babies? With features or reviews this month in virtually every magazine relative to the hip-hop movement (Rap Pages, Spin, The Source, Black Beat Magazine, Alternative Press, Murder Dog) you would think that the whole interview thing would be getting old by now.
Esham: “Nope, I’m like fuck, I want this shit to blow up. You know what I mean, I cain’t never get enough, like pussy, I’m like I been there and I WANT IT! I’m already to go baby.”
RC: How do you feel handling the increase in success?
Esham: It’s more or less like learning to fly a plane, there’s no room for errors. It’s like I want that shit, like the Stanley Cup or an NBA ring. I just stay focussed on the goal.
RC: How bout’ the hate that always follows success?
Esham: I thought about it, and we all do it, you know what I mean. It ain’t nothin’, I put it on the same level of tabloids.
RC: There’s hasn’t been a N.A.T.A.S. release in several years, has it taken this long to put the album together?
Esham: It’s more that we ain’t had the time to really sit down and get a N.A.T.A.S project together there was a lot of stuff even on this project we wasn’t able to do because of time, like another song with The Workhorse Movement. We still got plans in the future to do the that shit but like I say, it’s just time. We all tryin’ to catch up with it. You know, so it’s on.
RC: How does N.A.T.A.S make a record?
Esham: We would just come in and get to tinkering around with some shit, you know what I mean. Hittin’ some fuckin’ bells and start listening. Once it gets to a certain point, it’s like cooking a soup to me. It takes 5-10 minutes to come up with some shit that I think is lisenable. Then we just start building on the concept, write lyrics, wnd we would be done with it. I would say within 5 hours we’d have the master, you know what I’m sayin’. It was a combination of many different things. We was working with Jade Scott Santos and he would take stuff home and study it ‘till we just hammered it out and this is what we came up with. To this day I think it’s another classic, you know what I mean. So we gonna rock that muthafucker. I’m real happy with that shit, I’m real happy with it!
RC: How ‘bout the solo careers?
Esham: Mastamind got a solo project we gonna be workin’ on. TVT got a solo project, it just depends on where he wants to go with it. I think more or less he wants to do television. We just gonna pursue what’s inside of us and it’s all gonna come out.
RC: So Wicket World Wide is out and the hype is there. What’s the next step?
Esham: I think the next move will be training and gettin' out live stage show together. The mechanics behind puttin’ some crazy shit together, you know what I mean, and gettin' it all down.
RC: Not many rappers concentrate on takin’ the show to another level like rock does, but you’ve always has a different outlook on the live performance, comin’ out in coffin’s back in the day.
Esham: Well that’s one of the reasons I really don’t like to play. You know it’s like if I can’t really bring it to you like envision it in my head, I pass on the chance to play until I can get it to the point where I can show it to you like I feel it.
RC: You’ve made video’s for other albums, any plans for a new N.A.T.A.S. video?
Esham: I got some thoughts but until we get our hands on a camera we ‘bout to buy, who knows. We gonna come up with a lot of shit, there’s tons of concepts in my head.
RC: There’s a mystique about N.A.T.A.S. which can and has lead to misunderstanding the personality of the group. Any notions you want to dispel?
Esham: Well N.A.T.A.S. is not Satan, you know what I mean. It’s A NATION AHEAD OF TIME AND SPACE and people who believe in one nation under a groove so to speak. Actually I got N.A.T.A.S from the skateboarder Natas. A lot of my styles come from that old muthafuckin’ airborn, free fall shit. I just incorporate that into my music too. That’s where N.A.T.A.S. came from, just a hard rider.
RC: You mentioned the affliction of your label Gothom (got em’) Records with Overcore Records.
Esham: Overcore is a heavy rock label, that whole other entity of the music business that I was tryin’ to affiliate myself with so I came to Overcore. Overcore is like the extreme shit. They just kinda understand where music was goin’ so it was all good. We just stuck all that shit together, we just fused it, fuckin’ fusion.
RC: Has that opened doors for you?
Esham: Yeah, I choose to take the positive things from people I come across so it’s all good. You get more diverse state of mind. We all come from different places and it helps you see things for what they really are. I think it’s cool when people from different backgrounds can communicate and vibe like that.
RC: You mentioned diversity, that’s a good description of the new N.A.T.A.S. album.
Esham: I’m still trying to excite the listener. I’m always trying to create new ways to make you crave the sound, just different ways to freak it. There’s all kinds of ways that I’m still trying to get too that I haven’t yet so it’s goin’ there.
RC: Esham and N.A.T.A.S. have been vicious with street promotion all over the country. I heard you got arrested in Atlanta at the Rap Sheet convention for “Street Promotions”. You still talkin’ it hard to the streets?
Esham: Yeah you gotta keep your drive…maximum overdrive for me…I’m fuckin’ pushin’ it to the limit…my head gonna pop off…I don’t care…everyday. That’s my style. You gotta be like that cuz you never know when the time comes you gotta be on that shit, ready to do what you believe in.
RC: You’ve got this Detroit Armageddon show, live band, full stage production, any more details for your curious fans?
Esham: Actually, I can’t wait to see it put together myself. It will be exciting for the people to experience a real live stage show. With rap you don’t get a lot of different things that you would get at any other kind of concert. Just the feeling of live instruments being played or whatever. It’s gonna be the shit. It’s gonna be incredible.
RC: You ever run low on ideas after 5 N.A.T.A.S albums and 15 Esham albums?
Esham: There’s always some crazy shit goin’ on in this world. So you never run out of shit to talk about on fuckin’ planet earth.
RC: Appreciate the time, any final words?
Esham: Let the good times roll, that’s a wrap, this is Esham, we out!
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